how does the material from which the logs are made affect the sound of the drum?
how does the material from which the logs are made affect the sound of the drum?
a_sharapko
Tell me how the material from which the logs are made affects the sound of the drum ??
solidator
August 27, 2015 AT 9:47 pm
I had thin tubular logs on my pis drum, and I replaced them with artisans (Chermyanina) thick and heavy, so the sound became clearer and more collected or something ...... (tuner structure) set the same parameters.
In short, one on one as the situation with cast and stamping rims (who knows, he will understand)
pavel_drumsss
August 27, 2015 AT 9:48 pm
The simplest example:
Imagine an ordinary triangle. If it is made of cast bronze, other copper alloys or high quality steel, then it is not difficult to guess that the sound will be good.
And if he was blinded from plastic and any other shit, then the sound will be so-so.
runner
August 27, 2015 AT 9:48 pm
It seems to me that the difference by ear between brass and duralumin lags will not be particularly noticeable, if they do not differ structurally and keep the tuning equally well.
swerus
August 27, 2015 AT 9:49 pm
the comparison in a triangle is more suitable for the frame, in my opinion.
pavel_drumsss
August 27, 2015 AT 9:49 pm
lags directly affect the resonance (sound) of the caduha to which they are attached. Well, the sound of everything small in general.
Many companies produce drums where the lugs are not attached to the frame at all, so that it resonates freely.
swerus
August 27, 2015 AT 9:50 pm
agree. He's so small himself. But if the lags are already bound to the caddy, then it does not matter what metal they are made of. And the question is about this
pavel_drumsss
August 27, 2015 AT 9:50 pm
read the relevant literature, etc.
I will not argue / prove / persuade you.
swerus
August 27, 2015 AT 9:50 pm
maybe I'm wrong. What exactly would you advise to read?
pavel_drumsss
August 27, 2015 AT 9:50 pm
a regular physics textbook; various kinds of manuals for sound engineering; music forums on the Internet directly dedicated to this topic.
insider
August 27, 2015 AT 9:50 pm
If the kaduha is shit, then no lags can fix it, even with a free floating system. And you can experiment endlessly with good components.
scorp
August 29, 2015 AT 2:16 pm
In fact, what can be said for sure, for example, my lags are many times better at keeping order, this is unequivocal. Also, they are eternal and indestructible, as do not pull the layers, because they are not made of cast silumin, but solid, and how they affect the sound can only be guessed, we can assume that due to the fact that they are solid, then the sound is denser than on small ones with hollow lags, I have repeatedly changed the lags on small ones to my own and the sound really became denser, many unpleasant sounds were removed, so I agree, here you can conduct an anthology with cast rims. if other masters express their point of view on this matter, it will be interesting
1sthast
August 29, 2015 AT 2:16 pm
I'm conducting an experiment, purely out of nothing to do. In general, I had Amati, or rather, they are still there. I decided to hang prof accessories on the old tubs, having previously sanded the tubs and made the edges myself, because none of the masters took up such a "g", they said that when cutting the edges, the frame crumbles very often. As a result, in a simple way I achieved good edges. I dressed all the tubs in pvc film, similar in thickness to the film on starclassics, ordered logs from Anton Chermyanin, bought a suspension system for volumes from starclassic, respectively, and cast rims, new plastics, in general, full stuffing. Unfortunately, it is not possible to tinker with the tuning for a lot of time, but the sound has really become much better than it was, although it is too high, playing with overtones for a long time, but I think we still need to devote a lot of time to experimenting with layers.
And in the future I want to buy good tubs, for example Kellers, well, to order from the masters, and assemble my own installation, a kind of Lego)
And speaking of this topic, that lags, that rims, that mounting volumes, everything has a very good effect on the sound, very much. Moreover, everything is built from small things, I changed the lags, and even in small things, and then look and the sound has already changed more noticeably)
alex_marchenko
August 29, 2015 AT 2:17 pm
... what is the difference, in sound, between metal and wood logs ?? On a wooden frame.
5seven
August 29, 2015 AT 2:17 pm
This is too complicated a question. We need to start from something.
There are a lot of different metals and wood species from which it is possible to make logs. Not to mention the different types of structures and profiles.
It is necessary to compare specific examples with each other.
Admit:
Let's compare logs made of walnut and cast bronze. Provided that the body of both lags is completely in contact with the feces and they are the same size.
The nut will be smaller in weight, and therefore it will dampen the body less. (If the hull and the logs are of the same breed, then in general it's awesome. It will resonate perfectly.)
If you have a good case, you will get an excellent instrument with an open, bright sound.
Cast bronze logs will have a decent weight, and therefore they will jam the kadukha. They will give a clear, focused sound and hide some of the shortcomings of the case, if any.
You can dig deeper... to study the properties of materials, etc.
solidator
I had thin tubular logs on my pis drum, and I replaced them with artisans (Chermyanina) thick and heavy, so the sound became clearer and more collected or something ...... (tuner structure) set the same parameters.
In short, one on one as the situation with cast and stamping rims (who knows, he will understand)
pavel_drumsss
The simplest example:
Imagine an ordinary triangle. If it is made of cast bronze, other copper alloys or high quality steel, then it is not difficult to guess that the sound will be good.
And if he was blinded from plastic and any other shit, then the sound will be so-so.
runner
It seems to me that the difference by ear between brass and duralumin lags will not be particularly noticeable, if they do not differ structurally and keep the tuning equally well.
swerus
the comparison in a triangle is more suitable for the frame, in my opinion.
pavel_drumsss
lags directly affect the resonance (sound) of the caduha to which they are attached. Well, the sound of everything small in general.
Many companies produce drums where the lugs are not attached to the frame at all, so that it resonates freely.
swerus
agree. He's so small himself. But if the lags are already bound to the caddy, then it does not matter what metal they are made of. And the question is about this
pavel_drumsss
read the relevant literature, etc.
I will not argue / prove / persuade you.
swerus
maybe I'm wrong. What exactly would you advise to read?
pavel_drumsss
a regular physics textbook; various kinds of manuals for sound engineering; music forums on the Internet directly dedicated to this topic.
insider
If the kaduha is shit, then no lags can fix it, even with a free floating system. And you can experiment endlessly with good components.
scorp
In fact, what can be said for sure, for example, my lags are many times better at keeping order, this is unequivocal. Also, they are eternal and indestructible, as do not pull the layers, because they are not made of cast silumin, but solid, and how they affect the sound can only be guessed, we can assume that due to the fact that they are solid, then the sound is denser than on small ones with hollow lags, I have repeatedly changed the lags on small ones to my own and the sound really became denser, many unpleasant sounds were removed, so I agree, here you can conduct an anthology with cast rims. if other masters express their point of view on this matter, it will be interesting
1sthast
I'm conducting an experiment, purely out of nothing to do. In general, I had Amati, or rather, they are still there. I decided to hang prof accessories on the old tubs, having previously sanded the tubs and made the edges myself, because none of the masters took up such a "g", they said that when cutting the edges, the frame crumbles very often. As a result, in a simple way I achieved good edges. I dressed all the tubs in pvc film, similar in thickness to the film on starclassics, ordered logs from Anton Chermyanin, bought a suspension system for volumes from starclassic, respectively, and cast rims, new plastics, in general, full stuffing. Unfortunately, it is not possible to tinker with the tuning for a lot of time, but the sound has really become much better than it was, although it is too high, playing with overtones for a long time, but I think we still need to devote a lot of time to experimenting with layers.
And in the future I want to buy good tubs, for example Kellers, well, to order from the masters, and assemble my own installation, a kind of Lego)
And speaking of this topic, that lags, that rims, that mounting volumes, everything has a very good effect on the sound, very much. Moreover, everything is built from small things, I changed the lags, and even in small things, and then look and the sound has already changed more noticeably)
alex_marchenko
... what is the difference, in sound, between metal and wood logs ?? On a wooden frame.
5seven
This is too complicated a question. We need to start from something.
There are a lot of different metals and wood species from which it is possible to make logs. Not to mention the different types of structures and profiles.
It is necessary to compare specific examples with each other.
Admit:
Let's compare logs made of walnut and cast bronze. Provided that the body of both lags is completely in contact with the feces and they are the same size.
The nut will be smaller in weight, and therefore it will dampen the body less. (If the hull and the logs are of the same breed, then in general it's awesome. It will resonate perfectly.)
If you have a good case, you will get an excellent instrument with an open, bright sound.
Cast bronze logs will have a decent weight, and therefore they will jam the kadukha. They will give a clear, focused sound and hide some of the shortcomings of the case, if any.
You can dig deeper... to study the properties of materials, etc.
But in short, something like this.
alex_marchenko
Finally !!!
Thanks a lot!